Thanks for the excellent solo effort, Clive. Look forward to part 2 re the evil Dr Money!
In the Woman's Hour interview with Dr Cass(and backed up later by Wes Streeting) there appears to be an acceptance that clinical trials re puberty blockers should take place and that there is no limit on the number of children who can take part which seems to be opening the floodgates again - can you look at this?
Completely different tack, but I watched A Man Called Otto last night ... good film ... except the gay character in the book, in the film is ... you guessed it ... trans. The most marginalized group in the whole known universe, my arse! I guess we're not allowed anything of our own anymore. My response when the character did their reveal? "Oh just fuck off."
Thank you, Clive! Your version of the story of the monster and child abuser John Money should be required listening for anyone who claims to care about children, including those who support the "sexual re-assignment" of children who don't conform to society's sex role standards. It's such a tragedy. Those poor boys, at the mercy of Money and without the protection of parents who naively trusted him, who were also fooled into thinking their son's body should conform to society's standards, instead of telling him the truth about the accident, then letting him grow up and decide what to do when he was old enough to decide for himself. I plan to share, not sure I can get people I know to join your channel, but maybe after they listen to this... Best wishes! ❤️
My guess about the whole sorry start to this was an anxious mother who was very poorly supported. Had she been reassured by an experienced doctor this would never have happened.
I took my son to the doctor's aged 5 because his pee hole was so tiny (my brother went through a terrible circumcision aged 8). It just took the doctor a minute to reassure me that it would separate normally.
She and her husband were both very young when they had the twins and when they went to Dr Money. They were naive new parents who didn't know what to do in a dreadful situation. They needed better support than they were given for sure.
My God, what a nightmare. I had the same condition as a child --- or something like it---- with my foreskin as a one year old--- this would have been 1954--- which was resolved with a successful circumcision .--- How lucky I was!--- My family not being very particularly different from the twins parents--- young, poor, responsible and well meaning but somewhat in awe of professionals...
As for the rest--- "Sexual Politics", indeed, that just about sums it all up--- with time resolving it in such a way that it looks like George Orwell was the un-sourced lead author with Kate Millet serving as his beard.
Being a woman, so maybe this is none of my business... I saw a documentary some years ago called American Circumcision that mostly argued against routine circumcision for male infants, as was the custom in the US anyway for many years, and may still be overall. I dated guys years ago who where not American, had not been circumcised and they were perfectly normal and happy. Circumcision seems to be only necessary when really necessary, and that would have to be rarely. Otherwise, the trauma it puts babies and boys through is not justifiable in my opinion. An article on the subject from the New Yorker (recommended to me by a male friend) is a firsthand account of a similar experience. Just to say too, that I've been a feminist for most of my adult life and feel just terrible about many of the traumatic things that men and boys experience because they are men or boys.
A p.s. about my friend and the New Yorker article was his reaction to it of "Ouch!" That was about it, a kind of under-reaction I've found men friends have had over the years to things that would make me and many women go "OMG!" Also, the article is titled A Botched Circumcision and Its Aftermath: The constant discomfort of a genital injury creates a covenant of pain: it is impossible to think about anything else, by Gary Shteyngart, from Oct 4, 2021.
Well, mine and I'd wager the vast majority of Jewish men have remained functional. Which is really all that matters to guys..
And days old infant Jews, unlike me, don't remember theirs, so there you go. And even I have gotten over it.--- Because remembering pain is different from experiencing it
Okay, that's good, no reason any man should be traumatized for life. I'm relieved though never to have had a son because I wouldn't have wanted him to be circumcised. Infants and children can't choose for themselves. Thanks for your reply and perspective!
Thanks for the excellent solo effort, Clive. Look forward to part 2 re the evil Dr Money!
In the Woman's Hour interview with Dr Cass(and backed up later by Wes Streeting) there appears to be an acceptance that clinical trials re puberty blockers should take place and that there is no limit on the number of children who can take part which seems to be opening the floodgates again - can you look at this?
Dusty
Love the show, boys. x
And hope jolly Jack is over his sickness. If it's the tummy bug going round, boy you've just had a few days of fun 😬😬😬
It was indeed! My arse looked like the Japanese flag by the end of it.
Had it ... got better ... now have it again. How can more water come out than goes in?!? 🤷🏽♂️ Glad you're on the mend.
I said the same thing to former nurse Clive. A tiny sip comes back up as a gallon. It was horrendous. Hope you're feeling better soon, Ian.
Completely different tack, but I watched A Man Called Otto last night ... good film ... except the gay character in the book, in the film is ... you guessed it ... trans. The most marginalized group in the whole known universe, my arse! I guess we're not allowed anything of our own anymore. My response when the character did their reveal? "Oh just fuck off."
Yikes, I was vaguely aware of the John Money story, but that is truly horrific. Not even a proper doctor, a social scientist 😱
Thank you, Clive! Your version of the story of the monster and child abuser John Money should be required listening for anyone who claims to care about children, including those who support the "sexual re-assignment" of children who don't conform to society's sex role standards. It's such a tragedy. Those poor boys, at the mercy of Money and without the protection of parents who naively trusted him, who were also fooled into thinking their son's body should conform to society's standards, instead of telling him the truth about the accident, then letting him grow up and decide what to do when he was old enough to decide for himself. I plan to share, not sure I can get people I know to join your channel, but maybe after they listen to this... Best wishes! ❤️
My guess about the whole sorry start to this was an anxious mother who was very poorly supported. Had she been reassured by an experienced doctor this would never have happened.
I took my son to the doctor's aged 5 because his pee hole was so tiny (my brother went through a terrible circumcision aged 8). It just took the doctor a minute to reassure me that it would separate normally.
This story is just so heartbreaking 😢
She and her husband were both very young when they had the twins and when they went to Dr Money. They were naive new parents who didn't know what to do in a dreadful situation. They needed better support than they were given for sure.
Really informative, thank you
My God, what a nightmare. I had the same condition as a child --- or something like it---- with my foreskin as a one year old--- this would have been 1954--- which was resolved with a successful circumcision .--- How lucky I was!--- My family not being very particularly different from the twins parents--- young, poor, responsible and well meaning but somewhat in awe of professionals...
As for the rest--- "Sexual Politics", indeed, that just about sums it all up--- with time resolving it in such a way that it looks like George Orwell was the un-sourced lead author with Kate Millet serving as his beard.
It's all too much --- Through The Looking Glass ,isn't it?
(I remember a good deal of the before and immediately after of the circumcision, by the way.)
Being a woman, so maybe this is none of my business... I saw a documentary some years ago called American Circumcision that mostly argued against routine circumcision for male infants, as was the custom in the US anyway for many years, and may still be overall. I dated guys years ago who where not American, had not been circumcised and they were perfectly normal and happy. Circumcision seems to be only necessary when really necessary, and that would have to be rarely. Otherwise, the trauma it puts babies and boys through is not justifiable in my opinion. An article on the subject from the New Yorker (recommended to me by a male friend) is a firsthand account of a similar experience. Just to say too, that I've been a feminist for most of my adult life and feel just terrible about many of the traumatic things that men and boys experience because they are men or boys.
A p.s. about my friend and the New Yorker article was his reaction to it of "Ouch!" That was about it, a kind of under-reaction I've found men friends have had over the years to things that would make me and many women go "OMG!" Also, the article is titled A Botched Circumcision and Its Aftermath: The constant discomfort of a genital injury creates a covenant of pain: it is impossible to think about anything else, by Gary Shteyngart, from Oct 4, 2021.
Well, mine and I'd wager the vast majority of Jewish men have remained functional. Which is really all that matters to guys..
And days old infant Jews, unlike me, don't remember theirs, so there you go. And even I have gotten over it.--- Because remembering pain is different from experiencing it
Okay, that's good, no reason any man should be traumatized for life. I'm relieved though never to have had a son because I wouldn't have wanted him to be circumcised. Infants and children can't choose for themselves. Thanks for your reply and perspective!